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The goal seems to be to make Socrates boring, plagon make him sound like a moralizing old geezer who exhorts his companions almost literally to eat their greens Mem. The names of his acquaintances c suggest that he belongs to the Athenian aristocracy, the younger members of which came under the influence of the sophists in the s. Plato cleverly makes Callicles impute to Socrates elements of the historical Alcibiades’ character, and he does so in such a way that each time, Socrates emerges with an enhanced reputation.

Alcibíades (personaje de ficción)

Moreover, given his enormous natural talent, Plato presents an Alcibiades that is particularly prone to be corrupted by that great sophist, the many 30and Socrates voices such a concern Alc.

Another thorny problem in Gorgias scholarship is the presence in the text of apparently confusing chronological pointers to the dramatic date of the dialogue, which could be anywhere between and Alcibiades’ fine clothes were legendary,! This conclusion stands, admittedly, in contrast to the common view that Xenophon is a fairly traditional supporter of traditional conceptions of morality. This, however, is precisely the point Plato’s Socrates is making: Critias’ devotion to chariot-racing is, it is true, less well-known than that of Alcibiades, but evidence exists in the form of IG I3an inscribed statue-base dedicated to the Twelve Gods, but found in Salamis and subsequently lostrather than near the Altar in the Athenian Agora.

In the middle of the dialogue, immediately after Callicles completes his speech,33, Socrates speaks of his need for a touchstone with which to test the purity of his own soul.

Corrupting the Youth: Xenophon and Plato on Socrates and Alcibiades

The individual who is sent to the alcibiaades of the blest, however, is set up by Plato in the image of Socrates himself ; or rather of a Socrates who has lived a plagon life cthus meeting the accusation that Socrates had been guilty of impiety. By this time, Critias was so committed to his role of de facto Spartan governor that he must have been amongst alcibiaeds members of the Thirty who were most wary about what Alcibiades might be prepared to do ; for there were “vague hopes” that Alcibiades might yet save his city.


Moreover, it shows that Alcibiades, at a very young age and quite obviously under the tutelage of Socrates, looked down upon the law convention, nomos. Alcibiadess we should not be surprised to find that the enthusiastic student of Socrates, one of the most radical and unconventional thinkers of ancient Greece, has some radical thoughts of his own In this context it is useful to recall that Xenophon identifies Alcibiades as a partisan of democratic Athens, in contrast to the other student of Socrates, Critias, who was a partisan of the oligarchy Mem.

Socrates is guilty of refusing to recognize the gods recognized alcibiaees the state, and of introducing other new divinities. This is made absolutely clear in Socrates’ closing words e: In it, Socrates attempts to persuade Alcibiades that it is unsafe for him to pray to the gods if he does not know whether what he prays for is actually good or bad for him.

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Again Socrates initiates the dialogue, but this time the reason is not to win Alcibiades over as a student. Rather than being a morass of chronological discrepancies, the Gorgias may prove to have been carefully contrived, to have been composed with considerable demotes. The Gorgias is indeed Plato’s equivalent of the passages in the Memorabilia, where Xenophon tries to exculpate Socrates from the later careers of Critias and Alcibiades. Even this is curious, as Xenophon will often discuss how political leaders met their end to convey his judgment on their lives These three words are full of emphasis in the technical sense of the word.

This is a crucial point for any association of Callicles with Alcibiades, for it can only apply to Alcibiades’ highly peculiar status with regard to the Mysteries. This conversation highlights the possible attendant problems associated with a Socratic education in a passage meant to defend Socrates against the charges of corruption:.


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The victory in Abydos unites the Athenian forces, and the victory in Chalcedon was a significant victory over the Spartans. We can hardly imagine that Alcibiades had been initiated beforebut he presumably was in There are many aspects of the Polus section of the Gorgias which have a potentially Critian significance. Critias was coupled with Alcibiades in the accusations that were levelled against Socrates inand Aeschines even gives Critias’ education at the feet of Socrates as the sole grounds for the latter’s execution.

Athens achieved an important naval victory at Arginousai, but the navy is not in great shape after the battle.


There was his attack “as a joke”, as he put it, on his future father-in-law Hipponicus,62 as well as assaults on a rival choregus,63 a schoolmaster,64 and a servant. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

Alcibiades has many admirers but they have all run away, afraid of his coldness. Socrates showed alcibiads to them to be a gentleman and, at least while they kept company with him, Alcibiades and Critias were able to overpower their ignoble desires. The Gorgias thus corresponds to the category of “Alkibiadesliteratur” as defined by H.

Socrates persuades him that he is mistaken, and there is no expediency without justice. According aocibiades Xenophon, this relationship ceased when Alcibiades went into politics. Perhaps Polus is the missing echo. It is meant to show that Socrates did not corrupt Alcibiades and Critias, and Xenophon insisted that while they were with Socrates the two behaved well.

Retrieved from ” https: Schofield, The Presocratic Philosophers: It was not until that the German scholar Friedrich Schleiermacher argued against the ascription to Plato.

Critias himself was killed in the Thirty’s last stand at Munichia. Apelt answers the obvious question: